Daeyeol and I discuss his book Birth of Intelligence: From RNA to Artificial Intelligence, which argues intelligence is a function of and inseparable from life, bound by self-replication and evolution. The book covers a ton of neuroscience related to decision making and learning, though we focused on a few theoretical frameworks and ideas like division of labor and principal-agent relationships to understand how our brains and minds are related to our genes, how AI is related to humans (for now), metacognition, consciousness, and a ton more.